i still remember when ikonoskop first posted the "A-cam IIK new kid on the block" back in april 2008. It was 2k camera with the design of the Memory cartridge specs posted. I'm sure the development of the camera started way beyond april 2008. from 2k camera it became a HD rez. From a clear deadline of before december 2008, it became a unknown release date.

What seems to be a mystery in ikonoskop's development is there seems to be someone holding back all this beautiful technology away from us (filmmakers). I believe when ikonoskop announced 2k camera in april 08, they are totally dedicated to deliver the camera. i refuse to believe ikonoskop still developing their camera until now (april 09). i believe they already done so a few months a ago.

Something tells me that there is more story on why ikonoskop's camera is being delayed.... or am i being a sick conspiracy theorist?

maybe RED paid them??

I think the Ikonoskop team over sold the whole DII venture without accurately planning for how long development was actually going to take or if it is even possible to produce. The Ikonoskop guys talk up the camera to the media but then release information stating that they've never actually used the camera in the configuration being sold to everyone with all of the hype. Vaporware at it's best.

For example, we've been told recently "The working prototype records 15 fps per second with great stability. All though 15 fps is not close to our aim of reaching 60 fps it is a good proof-of-concept of both memory technology and other functions of the camera." proof-of-concept??? They're taking deposits on a POC camera that could be 12+ months away if we're lucky? It's one thing to take a near complete product offering and "refine" it while out selling it (bayer filter tweaks, etc.) but to full out sell everyone on a camera that doesn't exist or may never exist seems a little out there... They may also lose customers because of this hype letdown.

I would love to have a DII and I still feel the POC camera is perfect if they can get it to work. I fear it may never happen, or if it does, it will be years from now. I really hope I'm wrong. I really do.

I think your all full of crap. Viktor is working the booths of NAB as we speak talking to those with products and workflows that will aid the DII. My guess, and its only a guess, is that the 15fps number comes from testing one of the four taps that come off the CCD. This CCD model has four which allow for that much data to read off the chip. If they are showing the camera with electronics on board I would hardly call that vapourware, in the development cycle a camera spends a fair amount of time as a breadboard concept... With some people on the waiting list being told October with the backorders in hand I'd say they are tweaking but that is where you make a good camera concept into a great camera. Unfortunately the R1 wasn't tweaked enough!

I have never made a camera, but I have written computer programs. I think building anything often falls under the 80-20 rule, where the last 20% of features takes 80% of the time. It's a million little things to do that seemed small in planning but end up eating all your time.

I have a lot of experience with another small camera company ( a few years back) named REEL-STREAM, who successfully modded the DVX100 to produce 10bit RAW at 720p.

It's kind of the same thing at ikonoskop I'm thinking... a small company that has to build a camera, ship it, design the box, do their taxes, write software, etc....
Its way too much stuff for a small group to do in any tight timeframe.

YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY count on every single thing being done LATER than expected. WAAAY later than expected. UPDATES based on consumer feedback? WAAAAAY LATER than ever expected. Years later.

Eventually the camera will be perfect. But in my humble experience, by the time the camera is perfect, the technology will have already been eclipsed by other smaller less expensive systems that CANON, NIKON, PANASONIC etc is making.

JUST my opinion. RELAX and enjoy the aspects of IKONOSKOP that you enjoy, the design, the spirit of the company, etc. DONT plan on getting a fast delivery or making any money off the camera...
Just my IMHO

That is my worry. Im afraid REEL-STREAM's fate will hit ikonoskop too. Do you know that REEL-STREAM somehow 'vanished' right about when sony EX1 came into market. I was seriously hoping juan will mod the EX1 and we will get 1920x1080 4:4:4 for under USD 10k. And then boom... Gone in the wind...

i really hope no boom's here.....

I think you all are right. Of course we overshot the time it would take to develop this camera, of course the 15 fps is NOT 60. But it is 15 fps in the mechanics, enclosure and to our memory cartridge.

Personally - speaking with confidence - I can't see any other manufacturer doing a camera that is as beautiful, easy to operate, light in weight and producing uncompressed RAW in at least 2 more years.

As stated many times before to people with actual pre-orders we are sorry for the delay. The analogy of 80/20 is totally correct in this matter...

/ Viktor @ Ikonoskop

Well, I hope they're not 'right' about the YEARS LATER part with regards to the DII. Any info on a new projected schedule, Viktor? I think it is only fair for those who have put down money on a pre-order to at least get a sense of when and what's going on ...

You may have a problem if Red's Scarlet comes out first since I believe many will start jumping ship.

I'm not worried about jumping ship just making sure I'm in the market place with some room to myself for a bit before scarlet arrives. People are less likely to try the camera after the hype has delivered.

I have my own reasons to choose Ikonoskop and not Scarlet, being simplicity one of them. Red's offering caos and more confusion. People are still having too many problems with R3D workflow to add even more by having to build your own camera, besides the fact that modular sounds expensive to me. The Ikonoskop offers, or will offer, a ready to use product and that's what's important for me.

I seriously hope this delay is just because of that 80/20 rule. It happens all the time. The final tweaks always take more time because you have to convert something that works into something that works perfect.

The price looks great. Meanwhile, you've got the Research Research PHANTOM HD and PHANTOM 65 cameras out, you've got the Silicon Imaging SI-2K camera out, and you even got the WEISSCAM HS-2 out. The Weisscam is most impressive indeed -- 2000fps in 1080p, a 35mm sensor, global shutter as opposed to rolling shutter, 35mm lens capability, and recording modes in both RAW and HD. After all, not every occassion calls for a RAW mode recording, if I am just doing some quick location scouts or audition recordings, why bother with RAW quality?

And like it was mentioned by others, if Red ever wakes up instead of going out of business, they might even have the SCARLET camera some day. So, there is lots of competition in the D-film camera marketplace at the moment, but of course for the price, and whenever it becomes a real product, the A-cam dII will be the one to beat. For now, the two Phantoms, the SI-2K, and the Weisscam already ship.

i'll never use A-cam Dll for quick location scouts or audition recordings. That is why there is mini dv, P2 HD cameras. A-cam Dll not only competitive in pricing, but also form factor. all other cameras are just to big for indie shooting. i believe the A-cam Dll IS the most revolutionary Digital Cinema camera ever. We just hope the delay is because of the 80/20 rule like Dvorak Kahnfreig said...

May the force be with ikonoskop......

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